Spawn bags vs jars shroomery Nov 14, 2011 · Quote: Hydra45 said: Is one of these jar filters superior to the other? I've just got one layer of micropore tape over the holes in grain jars, with another layer taped over the inoc point. You can prepare a quart of grain in a jar or a quart of grain in a bag. May 30, 2021 · That created a lot of extra dishes and took a lot more time. Knock up a quart jar of rye with some spores and after 6 weeks transfer any small truffles into a few bags and forget about it in a closet for 6-12 months. I have went from buying presterilized spawn bags online to making qt jars of oats for spawn. Oats. cooker) and used 1/2 qt. I know it's more prone to contamination, but with proper use of the tek I feel like it would be hard to justify $25 grain bag vs $2 bag of rice Mar 20, 2021 · Dozen of jars for 9$, reusable, comes out to less than a $1 per jar, nice. Jun 5, 2010 · Quote: myco. You could do 10 quarts of grain in jars or 10 quarts of grain in bags. 2 hours for jars and 3 hours for bags Reply reply CryRepresentative101 Sep 29, 2016 · I do agree with NumeroEno that even the medium sized bags (i forgot how many qts) are just a pain in a SAB. I used them for a year before i had my flowhoods, and rarely had contamination. [About 46% for bags as opposed to roughly 56% for jars] With oats i havnt been able to dial in the correct moisture for bags. One jar can inoculate 10-20 jars if you're careful about portioning. But also at times use zip ties on bags. Jul 29, 2002 · They grow faster when exposed to light. This process is often refered to as "Spawning To Bulk". One thing I do recommend the bags for is tampanensis. Colonization Time: The main difference between whole grain and PF style jars is that whole grain remains loose, and can be shaken, thus spreading the mycelium points and colonizing faster. bag and go. Apr 15, 2025 · All jars for both tests will be inoculated with LI made from 2nd gen clones of their specific variety so the cultures should be pretty stable from jar to jar. I saw some teks on youtube and some here ( cant see them all since I need to post more) on how to Jan 20, 2002 · Now they work awesome for compost also. However, the rice bran jars have denser patches of white mycelium. See full list on midwestgrowkits. Grain Spawn; Humidification; Liquid Culture; Jul 11, 2017 · After the bags come out of the PC they are almost vacuum sealed, so you need to form the plenum yourself, unlike jars which you simply leave space in. The brown rice flower jars seem to colonizing a bit faster then the rice bran jars. Aug 11, 2013 · The only thing that separates my bags from the sides of a PC is a piece of heavy duty foil (I make a foil bowl so my bag can't touch the sides) A jar lid or something similar placed at the edges/corners will also work to keep the bag off of the pc walls and allow you to stack more in you pc at once. I'm too comfortable using jars to just switch over at this point This. In my SAB I feel g2g into spawn bags would be a bitch as well. First follow up on 2nd trails. PSiLO187's Simple Bulk Spawn Production Tek May 17, 2024 · Bags save space in in pc vs jars but take longer cook times. If you colonize in a spawn bag, do not open it to lay the trays the day it appears fully colonized. There are different ways and grains for making spawn. 5x its original volume. rinse til clean in a 5 gallon bucket w a paint sprayer bag to help rinse. Oct 1, 2014 · Quote: Whizwithout87 said:When you use a multi spore syringe to inoculate a bag it takes some time. (Optional) Between 14-17 days, you can break up the bags with your fingers to spread the Jul 3, 2006 · Another advantage to bags over jars is when spawning many people will open there jars and break the mycelium up 24-48 hrs ahead of time so it begins re-knitting itself so when you spawn it. Mycelium will colonize slightly faster when exposed to normal day/night ambient lighting. Jul 20, 2021 · Dont switch to bags, use bags in conjunction with jars. with a agar wedge 100% about 2 weeks later. Aside: I close the bags with clothespins, wrap the bags in thin towels, and place them on the pressure cooker’s aluminum rack after it is Dec 27, 2024 · What is considered the optimal conditions for knocked up grain spawn jars? I’ve made an impromptu incubation/fruiting room. the value of your time. Jul 30, 2014 · I recently started my 1st grow and have 4 jars colonizing out of 12. 6-STERILIZE THE RICE Now that the rice is sufficiently dry, pack into jars or preferably spawn bags and then into the pressure cooker. I would never risk such amount of grains with a spore solution syringe. Such as the cutting and dumping of spawn into opening of substrate bag. May 6, 2013 · Also how many substrate jars would equal 2 spawn bags? And how long can substrate jars last for? Nov 17, 2017 · For instance fill the bags with hydrated whole grain, pc it, then inoculate with a grain jar, but instead of frhiting the bag later, break up the grain and transfer it to new bags that have substrate mixes. Give it between two and four more days. Once done shake each fresh jar to spread the colonized material throughout it. If you wanted to do strictly bags you would have to make the jump to working purely with LC. I am wondering witch is really better now using the same method of the jars (witch I know well) or using these Dec 20, 2010 · Don't overthink Base's advice, room temp on a shelf or somewhere in your house with extra space where they can get ambient light is fine. After I knock up grain spawn jars, I put them in a box under a table in this room. Grain spawn, aka spawn, is usually mixed with a bulk substrate, allowed to colonize again, and then fruited. Jars if you don't need as much spawn at once. 1. The multispore inoculation test jars are at the very beginning of germination. Allow the mycelium to well recolonize the bag. This would not take place in a bag or a jar. The other 8 got contaminated. I have a couple space heaters that keep the temperature between 72° and 78°, and two humidifiers that keep humidity between 60% and 70%. jar of spawn per bag. Mar 20, 2021 · Dozen of jars for 9$, reusable, comes out to less than a $1 per jar, nice. All 30 jars from the potency vs time test will come from the same LI jar. Mar 18, 2012 · Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Part 2: Colonization of the Mushroom Spawn Bag. The bag was almost half a cup over a quart, so the rice became about 2. I am wondering what is the best grain spawn to use to get good fruits? I have mainly been doing MS grows which I realize aren’t that Jan 19, 2014 · Spawn the grains to your substrate as usual. But commercial growing bags are contacted. otherwise, with less grain in each bag, u might as well use jars, as most PC's can only fit 7 qt jars/2 larger filter bags. maybe jalisco doesn't change to much but atl#7 does. Unless the Lysol is going into the bags or jars it's fine. Now my jars of only 2 cups of seed take just about as long. An alternative to spawn bags is bigger jars, half gallon and gallons (the photo is gallon jars). Here I will document my process of preparing grain spawn for jars and bags. Jul 13, 2014 · So I'm aware of some of the pros and cons of working with spawn bags. Jan 2, 2023 · I want to inoculate spawn bags so that I can then transfer to tray and case. Drain by placing the lid over the top and leaving a gap between the lip of the jar and May 20, 2020 · This rice is loaded 1 cup (8oz) per container. I think the air exchange is better on my bags also as air can access more of the spawn (just guessing) but my bags are jumping off and my output is better since I've started using bags and LC. May 17, 2024 · Bags save space in in pc vs jars but take longer cook times. Jan 23, 2015 · seriously? i have pulled out tennis balls from bags and marbles from jars. Then fill each jar with cold water (not distilled) Let it soak for 10 to 20 minutes. Apr 9, 2020 · Hey guys! I’ve been growing for a while now and have had some decent success and some horrible failures thus far. There is no recovery time for the mycelium. Open each one and give it a good smell to make sure it is clean. Oct 2, 2015 · Quote: Psilosoulful said: Never tried spawn bags, too bulky to work with and colonization times will increase. What I'm not aware of however is how full everyone fills theirs, if you can pump out more grain using my 16qt pc than the 7 quart Feb 5, 2021 · This bed was built to keep skunks, raccoons, and other grain hungry bastards away from that delicious grain spawn: All of these bags/jars are bacterial: 9 bags of MS PE, 3 different TOC clones, melmak clones, some MS RustyWhyte, and MS APE. Oct 5, 2006 · I dunno what your doing to those jars but my bags have always done better. Sep 30, 2011 · How EvilMushroom666 Prepares Grain Spawn (Jars & Bags) When it comes to mushroom growing everyone seems to have their own methods and ways of going about things that works for them. Immediate sealing and thorough mixing of spawn and not again opening the fruiting bag until personal cultivators prefrence tells them it's time to either harvest or give fresh air. Jars are pretty consistent but those spawn bags need about 5-10% less moisture than jars. I'm a big jar person for personal grows,there simple isolation of what contamination vector is better. I plan to make a quart of LC and im wondering if its best to make grain spawn jars for g2g into bags or if I should get Sep 9, 2010 · When sterilizing Rye Berries (Grain) in a pressure cooker, is the sterilization time the same when using spawn bags as it is when using Jars? Is it still 90 minutes at 15psi when using bags? I ask because on RR's DVDs it says 90 minutes at 15psi for grain in jars but the mp website says 65 minutes in spawn bags. First figure out how much grain spawn you will need. alchemist said: Bags if you want LOTS of spawn at once. That's probably cheaper than the cost of washing your jars when you think about the time it takes vs. 40 a bag when you think about it and that replaces 5-6 jars/lids. In it he suggests using 3 quarts for each bag. i have a flowhood they are no extra work and im strictly talking from experience i know for a fact that I get much more mushroom flesh from a 3 quart spawn bag then 3 quarts in jars. Sep 23, 2009 · ok so im gonna try a new tek that i have not yet done, i want to use 5 quarts of wbs in a spawn bag instead of using like 7 or 8 jars 3/4 filled up with wbs. Unlike jars, Spawn bags colonize from the inside out, so you most likely won’t see any mycelium growth for 7-14 days. 9 times out of 10 invitro pinning is caused by a contaminate presence because there is not the FAE needed to cause pinning inside a jar. . After filling all the jars I will be needing for the project I place the jar on the counter, near the sink. I bought 1000 bags from unicorn several times over the years. 2 hours for jars and 3 hours for bags Reply reply CryRepresentative101 Jun 20, 2010 · All main test subject jars have germinated at every point of inoculation. I've used bags before. Feb 16, 2013 · Ok its been awhile since I have grown and now there is these new grain bags out there. With a few subtle differences. Place one in the bucket and proceed to put the funnel in the jar and fill the cup with millet and pour into jar. I have an impulse sealer as well as a roller sealer. Ultimately you are then adding that grain to another material to colonize and grow. Contrary to to popular belief, you don't need a flow hood to be successful with fp bags. Step 1 - Soaking Grain 1. Grain jars aren't equipped with a dry vermiculite barrier to defend the substrate against contams. Oct 30, 2020 · You're only looking at $. I have played with bags before, but my preference is to use jars. I usually only did 2 (2 fit nice in a 22qt. Jan 2, 2023 · Hey y’all, I’m having a lot of trouble with grain to substrate transfers. Highly recommend using bags if you have a hood though for all the reasons listed above. I like to see results as quick as possible. How to do it the other way: Break up your grain jars as usual. Grain Spawn; Humidification; Liquid Culture; Jan 2, 2023 · Hey y’all, I’m having a lot of trouble with grain to substrate transfers. The flexible bag makes it easy to mix the spawn thoroughly through the substrate; just squeeze. All mixed and level. I have not decided which one yet. I use the same conditions from inoculation to spawn and never get invitro pins. Aside: I close the bags with clothespins, wrap the bags in thin towels, and place them on the pressure cooker’s aluminum rack after it is Nov 14, 2001 · What are the drawbacks of each? Would you recommend using the substrate bags with the filter patch or the regular PF style jars? I've heard the bags can build up unwanted moisture inside of them Oats. Just depends on what floats your boat. then soak 12 to 24 hours. Jun 3, 2014 · if ur using filter bags, it makes more sense, efficiency wise to put in at least 3. I just soaked 20lbs of WBS for 24 hours, rinsed it and bagged it all up using 3 quarts per bag Aug 20, 2010 · Quote: RogerRabbit said: I routinely spray Lysol on open spawn bags before using them for grain to grain transfers. So i gather all my clean quarts and get them near. Jan 19, 2005 · I have used jars before, but really thought the spawn bags are way better, since you can sterilize a large bag that can act as a casing layer and eliminate the process of casing. Apr 19, 2020 · Trying to get 3-4lb millet bags is much easier than oats because you can measure the exact water content you need. therefore, micropore tape alone won't keep out contams. Place your fresh jars in a dry, dark, warm place (preferably between 70-80F), and allow them to colonize in peace & quiet. Repeat this same process as many times as you have fresh jars to transfer to. We want to bring the grains just short of both fully cooked and fully Aug 18, 2014 · Once 100% colonized, it becomes "Grain Spawn". Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. 35-$. Flash Hydration prep: The aim of this preparation is a bit different. 5 qts, but makes even more sense to do like 5-6 qts in each. But contamination in the middle of bags is usually little holes form depression air or heat against metal wall. Jul 12, 2020 · If you colonize in a spawn bag, break up the substrate at 50% to 70%. Jan 9, 2015 · Ok so I have been following Cybers WBS myco-bag Tek. Last run was 6-8 cups of seed per bag, innoc. ----- Sep 24, 2014 · Hey guys I was just wondering if there was any advantage to say ordering 200 grow bags which can only be used once or to just buy a bunch of quart jars and doing normal grain to mono. Plus you can get much more substrate colonized in much less time, because you use 3-4 jars worth of material per one bag. That will probable be about the same time you start shopping for a FH/FFU and a bigger/another PC if you expand things to that point. Having light hit your still colonizing sub/jars/bags/etc will not trigger early pinning, but introducing FAE by constantly opening the bag/tub will and sometimes results in uneven and a less than desirable initial pinset. 2 pound bag of brown rice became 13 cups of prepared substrate. com If its contam which gets rarer and rarer as I get better I just toss a bag and its gone. Which is the amount I use per jar. Today I got in my SAB to transfer some well colonized oat spawn (lions mane and shiitake) and was having ONE HELL of Jul 11, 2017 · After the bags come out of the PC they are almost vacuum sealed, so you need to form the plenum yourself, unlike jars which you simply leave space in. I have 3 BRF jars I've been waiting to pin invitro since November, in light, nothing. Mar 12, 2020 · Bags could* be different by reducing the time of having open mouths on the containers. i have a small room with 12 tubs so bags suit me better imo. Slow vs Fast Potency Inoculation day and 10 days Oct 30, 2020 · You're only looking at $. In my case, I will be spawning to bulk in a monotub. Place your spawn bags in a warm, dark location (75-81 degrees) and leave to incubate. May 25, 2020 · These containers hold 150ml of water. Because the mycelium tends to hold the substrate together in a clump, getting the clump out of a jar or even a bucket can be a real challenge. Jul 15, 2021 · In spawn bags, the spent substrate—or the fully colonized spawn—is easy to remove from a bag. The only drawback with these is only being able to pack a couple in most PCs. dry some. Today I got in my SAB to transfer some well colonized oat spawn (lions mane and shiitake) and was having ONE HELL of Jul 12, 2020 · If you colonize in a spawn bag, break up the substrate at 50% to 70%. Apr 21, 2025 · My main question is truly what's the big difference/issues with the difference between buying pre-sterilized grain jars/bags, vs just using the ol ( much hated for good reasons) Uncle ben Tek. Not to mention you can use 1 jar or bag of spawn to knock up LOTS of bags of grain further reducing your jar load. is there a higher chance of contaminatio Jun 7, 2022 · IMO if you're keeping up with your needs via jars, stick with them until you need more spawn than you can make in jars.
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